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DTC P0717: Problem in Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed Sensor Circuit (No Signal Input); DTC P0718: Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed Sensor Intermittent Failure

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NOTE:
  • Before you troubleshoot, record all freeze data and any on-board snapshot with the HDS, and review General Troubleshooting Information (see GENERAL TROUBLESHOOTING INFORMATION ).
  • This code is caused by an electrical circuit problem and cannot be caused by a mechanical problem in the transmission.
  1. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
  2. Clear the DTC with the HDS.
  3. 4WD: Raise the vehicle on a lift, make sure it is securely supported, and allow all four wheels to rotate freely. 2WD: Block the rear wheels, and raise the front of the vehicle, make sure it is securly supported, and allow the front wheels to rotate freely, or raise the vehicle on a lift.
  4. Start the engine. Disable the VSA by pressing the VSA OFF button. Run the vehicle in D at speeds over 12 mph(20 km/h). Compare the Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed and the Output Shaft (Countershaft) Speed with the HDS in the A/T Data List. Slow down and stop the wheels.

    Are the speeds about the same? 

    YES  -Intermittent failure, the system is OK at this time.

    NO  -Go to step 5.

  5. Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
  6. Disconnect the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor connector.
  7. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
  8. Measure the voltage between input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor connector terminal No. 1 and body ground.
    Fig 1: Measuring Voltage Between Input Shaft Speed Sensor Connector Terminal 1 And Body Ground
    G06266807Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there about 5 V? 

    YES  -Go to step 9

    NO  -Repair open in the wire between PCM connector terminal A20 and the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor, then go to step  19.

  9. Measure the voltage between input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor connector terminal No. 2 and body ground.
    Fig 2: Measuring Voltage Between Input Shaft
    G06266808Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there about 5 V? 

    YES  -Go to step 10.

    NO  -Go to step 15.

  10. Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
  11. Jump the SCS line with the HDS.
  12. Disconnect PCM connector C (31P).
  13. Check for continuity between PCM connector terminal A8 and body ground, and between PCM connector terminal A9 and body ground.
    Fig 3: PCM Connector A (31P)
    G00510123Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    Is there continuity? 

    YES  -Go to step 14

    NO  -Repair an open in the wire between PCM connector terminal (A8, A9) and body ground (G101). Refer to ENGINE WIRE HARNESS (CONT'D)TRANSMISSION RANGE SWITCH SUBHARNESS (A/T)SHIFT SOLENOID WIRE HARNESS (A/T) , or repair poor body ground (G101).

  14. Check for continuity between input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor connector terminal No. 3 and body graound.
    Fig 4: Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed Sensor Connector
    G00510127Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.
  15. Is there continuity? 

    YES  -Replace the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed Sensor Replacement , then go to step 19.

    NO  -Repair an open in the wire between the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor and body ground (G101). Refer to BATTERY GROUND CABLEENGINE GROUND CABLE or repair poor body ground (G101).

    Fig 5: Identifying Engine Ground Cable
    G06266368Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.
  16. Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
  17. Jump the SCS line with the HDS.
  18. Disconnect PCM connector C (22P).
  19. Check for continuity between input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor connector terminal No. 2 and body ground.
    Fig 6: Checking Continuity Between Input Shaft Speed Sensor Connector Terminal 2 And Body Ground
    G06266809Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

    YES  -Repair a short to body ground in the wire between PCM connector terminal C19 and the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor, then go to step 19.

    NO  -Repair an open in the wire between PCM connector terminal C19 and the input shaft (mainshaft) speed sensor, then go to step 19.

  20. Reconnect all connectors.
  21. Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
  22. Clear the DTC with the HDS.
  23. Start the engine. Disable the VSA by pressing the VSA OFF button. Run the vehicle in D at speeds over 12 mph(20 km/h). Compare the Input Shaft (Mainshaft) Speed and the Output Shaft (Countershaft) Speed with the HDS in the A/T Data List. Slow down and stop the wheels.

    Are the speeds about the same? 

    YES  -Troubleshooting is complete.

    NO  -Go to step 1, and recheck.