DTC B1827: Rear Up-Down Motor Pulse Error

NOTE: If you are troubleshooting multiple DTCs, be sure to follow the instructions in B-CAN system diagnosis test mode A (see TROUBLESHOOTING - B-CAN SYSTEM DIAGNOSIS TEST MODE A ).

Clear the DTC with the HDS.
Turn the ignition switch OFF, and then back ON (II).
Move the power seat up and down with the power seat adjustment switch for more than 2 seconds in each direction.
Does the motor run continuously for more than 2 seconds?
1. YES - Intermittent failure, the system is OK at this time. Check for a poor connection at the sensor and at the power seat control unit connector A (20P).
2. NO - Go to step 4.
Move the power seat up and down with the power seat adjustment switch again.
Does the motor run for about 1 second?
1. YES - Go to step 5.
2. NO - Go to step 16.
Turn the ignition switch OFF.
Remove the driver's power seat (see FRONT SEAT REMOVAL/INSTALLATION ).
Disconnect the power seat control unit connector C (12P), recline motor/position sensor connector (5P), and rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P).
Check for continuity between the rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P) No. 5 terminal and power seat control unit connector C (12P) No. 11 terminal.

Fig 1: Checking Continuity Between Rear Up-Down Motor/Position Sensor Connector (5P) No. 5 Terminal & Power Seat Control Unit Connector C (12P) No. 11
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Go to step 9.
2. NO - Repair open in the RED/BLK wire.
Check for continuity between the rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P) No. 5 terminal and body ground.

Fig 2: Checking Continuity Between Rear Up-Down Motor/Position Sensor Connector (5P) No 5 Terminal & Body Ground
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Repair a short in the RED/BLK wire.
2. NO - Go to step 10.
Check for continuity between the rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P) No. 3 terminal and power seat control unit connector C (12P) No. 6 terminal.

Fig 3: Checking Continuity Between Rear Up-Down Motor/Position Sensor Connector (5P) No 3 Terminal & Power Seat Control Unit Connector C (12P) No. 6
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Go to step 11.
2. NO - Repair open in the BRN/WHT wire.
Check for continuity between the rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P) No. 3 terminal and body ground.

Fig 4: Checking Continuity Between Rear Up-Down Motor/Position Sensor Connector (5P) No. 3 Terminal & Body Ground
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Repair a short in the BRN/WHT wire.
2. NO - Go to step 12.
Check for continuity between the rear up-down motor/position sensor connector (5P) No. 4 terminal and power seat control unit connector C (12P) No. 12 terminal.

Fig 5: Checking Continuity Between Rear Up-Down Motor/Position Sensor Connector (5P) No. 4 Terminal & Power Seat Control Unit Connector C (12P) No. 12
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Go to step 13.
2. NO - Repair open in the BRN/BLK wire.
Reconnect the power seat control unit connector C (12P).
Turn the ignition switch ON (II).
Measure voltage between the power seat control unit connector C (12P) No. 6 and No. 12 terminals.

Fig 6: Measuring Voltage Between Power Seat Control Unit Connector C (12P) No. 6 & No. 12 Terminals
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Is there about 5 V?
1. YES - Replace the rear up-down motor/position sensor.
2. NO - Replace the power seat control unit.
Turn the ignition switch OFF.
Check the No. 16 (20 A) fuse in the under-dash fuse/ relay box.
Is the fuse OK?
1. YES - Go to step 18.
2. NO - Replace the fuse and retest. If the fuse blows again, repair the short in the wire.
Disconnect the power seat control unit connector D (6P).
Measure the voltage between the No. 4 terminal of power seat control unit connector D (6P) and body ground.

Fig 7: Measuring Voltage Between No. 4 Terminal Of Power Seat Control Unit Connector D (6P) & Body Ground
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Is there battery voltage?
1. YES - Go to step 20.
2. NO - Repair an open in the wire between the under-dash fuse/relay box and the power seat control unit.
Check for continuity between the No. 1 terminal of power seat control unit connector D (6P) and body ground.

Fig 8: Checking Continuity Between No. 1 Terminal Of Power Seat Control Unit Connector D (6P) & Body Ground
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Is there continuity?
1. YES - Go to step 21.
2. NO - Repair an open in the wire between the power seat control unit and G503, G601. If the wire is OK, repair G503, G601.
Disconnect the rear up-down motor connector (5P).

Check for continuity between the following terminals of the power seat control unit connector D (6P) and the rear up-down motor connector (5P).

TERMINALS SPECIFICATION

6P:	5P:
No. 2	No. 2
No. 5	No. 1

Fig 9: Checking Continuity Between Terminals Of Power Seat Control Unit Connector D (6P) & Rear Up-Down Motor Connector (5P)

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Is there continuity?

YES- Go to step 23.
NO- Repair an open in the wire between the power seat control unit connector D (6P) and the rear up-down motor connector (5P).

Remove the driver's power seat (see FRONT SEAT REMOVAL/INSTALLATION ).
Test the rear up-down motor (see DRIVER'S POWER SEAT MOTOR TEST ).
Is the rear up-down motor OK?
1. YES - Repair an open or a short in the rear up-down motor/position sensor wires.
2. NO - Replace the rear up-down motor/position sensor.
- (see '04 MODEL )
- (see '05-06 MODELS )